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charlie's avatar

I'm not here to argue with the idea that people play taste games or that I play taste games or anything, but I've heard this argument before and something about it always misses me? 


Okay, take the baby name example. I've never thought that I like certain names because of how they literally, audibly sound. I've always thought that names have cultural connotations that change over time, and I'm most likely to share the cultural connotations of names with my generation, so names that I like that I feel like have good cultural connotations and would be a good name to have are names that people my own age might also think have good cultural connotations (vibes). I could like names that have traditional but not stuffy vibes like Charlotte and Olivia or names that have very hippy or like, conspicuously non-comformist vibes like Rain or West but at no point would I be confused about why people in the past would have thought about names entirely differently and had a different idea about what makes a good name to navigate the world with. Status is involved in this (would I prefer a high status name like William with all the formality that might come with it, or something that has different cultural connotations of masculinity like Brock?) but at no point am I like, confused by the “authenticity” of my taste.

Or like the picture of Senfeild. He looks fine to me but that’s probably just because I like fashion and I can read over a slightly longer period of time - like his clothing is “legible” to me because I’ve familiarized myself with it just like more contemporary clothing is legible to me. When I read someones outfit I also don’t feel confused about what is a basic, sensory judgement (that texture looks bad to touch) and what’s a judgement with context - this silhouette looks bad because I’m assuming they were actually intended to hit [x] silhouette that’s popular for [y] reasons and they’ve failed to achieve it in a way that’s also revealed they were *trying* to achieve it (and being able to perceive that someone is trying to achieve something while they’re failing at it being a bad thing is of course also cultural…) blah blah blah. I guess what I’m trying to get at is, where is the self deception?

I know sometimes people say something is “objectively” bad or good but I’m assuming when it comes to anything that involves… taste, like any level of taste above sensory feedback, they mean given [y] values and [x] cultural connotations [z] has obviously failed/succeeded. Like the shared values and symbolic/read meaning go unspoken, but of course they aren’t unconscious?

I apologize for not condensing my thoughts but I guess the crux of this is: who thinks that their feelings towards something with symbolic or contextual meaning aren’t influenced by that things symbolic or contextual meaning? How is my or anyone else’s ability to read the world around them and respond to it “not real” somehow?

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Jake Dennie🔸️'s avatar

Enlightening! Major oh shit moment at the Travel section, my partner and I have often noticed that travel makes up an absurd share of our conversation with not-yet-close friends.

As with other basic human desires, I think the right approach is the Stoic / Buddhist general philosophy of "accept it without judgement, try to notice when it is changing your decisions, and try to account for it so that you're still optimizing for happiness/altruism and not whatever your biology is optimizing for". So having it laid out for me like this is going to help me notice when it's influencing me in the future!

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