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Cameron Sours's avatar

I picked "spider" when a female friend asked me what my favorite animal was.

SPIDER!

Anyway what she said that your favorite animal is a proxy for what you value in a mate. I'm not married. (not sure if those are related)

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People are farting in the rational clean room and it's very upsetting.

I think that rational communication can only happen when people have overlapping perspectives - not the same point of view necessarily, but some overlap. For instance, in the abortion 'debate', pro choice advocates say that abortion is all about controlling women; pro life say it's about morality and not killing babies. There is NO overlap in those viewpoints.

When there is no overlap, you can still sometimes do a perspective-taking exercise - why does that person have that perspective? Can I tell a story from that perspective? But for hurtful things it's hard to get someone to do a perspective-taking exercise. Why would I take the perspective of someone who only wants to control women's bodies? Why would I take the perspective of someone who wants to kill babies?

We have emotional 'scar tissue' for most of these 'irrational' topics - we're used to it.

Trump has taken an existing framing story and turned it up to 11 - I call it 'The Daddy Trump' story.

I don't need to understand the economy, Daddy Trump will take care of it.

I don't need to understand the border, Daddy Trump will take care of it.

... democracy ...

... the constitution ...

I don't need to understand anything, Daddy Trump will take care of it.

Conservatives have always had a degree of this framing story, Trump has just been extremely shameless in how he uses it.

This makes rational communication very very difficult: Why would I try to take the perspective of someone who loves Daddy Trump? Why would I try to take the perspective of someone who hates the only man who can fix things?

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I think that emotional intelligence will be increasingly important as time goes on, particularly in understanding perspective and framing stories. Some people are really good at this, whether by intention or instinct, but few people are good at analyzing this, because it quickly leads to sticky and hurtful thoughts.

No one had a plan to deal with all the emotions of everyone in the world when we built the internet, but humans are actually pretty good at making plans.

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You can only fact check facts. You can't effectively fact check a perspective or framing story. Doubling down on debunking can only get you so far.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pPNV_B-Hpc particularly minute 38 and on

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I don't particularly love this article, but it seems to be directionally useful. I would frame the problem as being unknowingly stuck in a particular story, and the solution as exercising perspective-taking. I also wish it talked about why this is hard instead of just vaguely gesturing that it's a good idea.

https://psyche.co/ideas/your-life-is-not-a-story-why-narrative-thinking-holds-you-back

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Jonathan B's avatar

> One of my strongest beliefs is that way too many people allows politics to play way too large a role in their emotional lives.

A couple of things to note here.

There has been a concerted effort since the late '80s to shift the political narrative from one of rational discourse to one of emotional discourse, cf the Republican strategy to focus on "culture war" issues rather than economic policies.

For other folks, politics absolutely plays an emotional role when politics directly affect their lives, like say, a woman's right to bodily autonomy, healthcare, LGBTQ+ rights, racism in the justice system, etc.

To overlook these and throw up one's hands and say, "Gee, I wonder why people are getting so upset about politics?" is not a good look and naive at best.

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