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Jamie Freestone's avatar

As always, this is extremely compact and well though out. I've tried to write this post many times, but it's a gnarly topic.

One point I'd insist on is: evolution isn't trying (even in the metaphorical non-teleological sense) to maximise reproductive fitness. It is "trying" to replace the unstable with the stable. The main way to be stable — to persist — is to be inert, robust, solid. But another way is to be dynamically stable, to use lots of energy to make short-lived copies of one's structure, who in turn make further copies, staying one step ahead of dissipation, i.e. life based on RNA and DNA. Within this branch of strategies, promiscuous reproduction has dominated. But robustness is making a comeback. H. sapiens can change their strategies within a lifetime even, and now reproduce less but dominate the surface of the Earth, capture more energy than ever, and avoid more hazards that would break it up. Obviously, this strategy might backfire at any time. But if our modern, high tech civilisation survives, we will be doing what evolution "wants", even if we pivot to selective breeding, or become cyborgs, or get replaced by rogue AIs that take over our infrastructure and find a robust way to persist over time.

For the AI alignment crowd, I think the lesson is that if you create agents that have the ability to sense their environment and adapt their own strategies in real-time (what is often called situational awareness) you have lost control of any "aligning" you hope to do. Regardless of programming, objective functions, etc. a truly flexible agent will start finding ways to persist, to be more stable than what is around it. (This is kind of like "instrumental convergence" but based on different assumptions.)

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I find it interesting that humans have an aversion to the experience machine/Matrix. Video games have become increasingly addictive, but they only consume the lives of a relatively small fraction of people. The story is similar with drugs and entertainment.

This is due in part to cultural taboos that crop up around escapism, but these taboos seem downstream of a general resistance to reward hacking "the important things". If you could snack on something that tasted like M&Ms but with 0 calories most people would. But they'd find the idea of having AI friends or raising a faux-child to be horrifying.

It seems like some of our drives have been made special, in a way. The idea of taking a pill to obtain the sensations of sex without kids is socially acceptable. But the idea of taking a pill to obtain the positive emotions of parenthood (or of a relationship) without the accompanying person sounds deeply wrong. We just won't accept substitutes.

I think we've evolved a general aversion to superstimuli in certain areas. If not at the individual level, then at the group level. If we hadn't, we'd have been absolutely one-shot by the 21st century. Compared to other animals like birds that ignore their own eggs to take care of massive fake eggs, we're doing surprisingly well. The fact that people are aggressively planning to have kids and modelling their life around it in the face of massive waves of superstimuli is evidence of that!

If I had to guess, I'd say that the evolution of consciousness gave humans an unprecedented ability to reward hack. In the past, animals rarely discovered reward hacking and the hacks were solved by tweaking the goals until the hacks no longer worked. Humans, being conscious, were able to interrogate their own desires, figure out hacks, and then intelligently communicate those hacks to others. They likely found so many so quickly that it was impossible to patch them via tweaking the goals themselves. The only thing that worked was a generalized resistance against reward hacking.

The fact that humans are as reward-hack resistant as we are gives me some hope for AI alignment. Had humans spent more time in the evolutionary oven we might be even more resistant to superstimuli and even more averse to the experience machine.

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