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Dartz's avatar

You buried the lead. This is priceless!:

"At dynomight.net we don’t like to answer questions. Instead, we prefer to replace them with more abstract questions that we also don’t answer."

So, to summarize, Assange is a dick, but the real problem is the deliberate ambiguity of the statute (Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States), giving the government unreasonable powers of suppression.

I'm not holding out high hopes our current SCOTUS will either remove the ambiguity or reduce the unreasonable power to suppress.

Thanks, and I also appreciate the link to the statute.

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James Manwaring's avatar

Conspiracy in England is considerably broader than the US provision you've cited. Here there is no requirement to take any further act beyond the mere agreement to offend. And the maximum sentence is the same as the offence one conspires to commit, potentially up to life in prison. Indeed, it is sufficient to agree to offend, conditional on some triggering event, even if that event is very unlikely.

Indeed, you don't even need to agree with anyone to offend. It is a (separate) offence to do an act capable of encouraging or assisting someone else to offend, where you intend to encourage/assist their conduct, being reckless as to whether that conduct would amount to an offence. (s.44 of the Serious Crime Act 2007.)

Many laws are like this. Doing virtually anything can amount to terrorism. Virtually any lie in relation to any kind of property can amount to fraud. And the slightest encouragement of someone else doing those things makes one an accessory to those offences.

Despite all this, these overbroad laws tend to be wielded with reasonable care. (And here the government need not fear its Acts being disapplied by the courts.) Ultimately I think legal and political culture matters a lot more than the precise scope of legal prohibitions. But perhaps this is complacent.

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An appendix to the appendix: you don't go into the lurid details, but Assange's case is a landmark case in English criminal law, read by all law students, on the question of whether and when a deception will undermine a victim's consent to sexual activity under the general definition of consent. It's probably the most hotly debated area of criminal law since the judgment came out in 2011.

Ironically, the sequels to that case have resulted in the same kind of over-breadth as you notice about espionage. In England it is now legally viable that if A and B have a drunken one-night stand, in which B was under the mistaken (but unstated) apprehension that A would wear a condom, and A did not, then A can have committed rape.

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