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Max Langenkamp's avatar

Enjoyed this but might add that it seems to me quite misleading to think of probabilities as inherent properties of the world; Probability is a conceptual tool we use to reason about the world. There isn't an underlying truth of "likelihood of nuclear war" though in certain cases it can be quite handy to think of it this way.

see e.g. https://metarationality.com/small-world

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Peter Gerdes's avatar

This is essentially the question raised (and discussed at length in the philosophy literature) by the sleeping beauty paradox.

In terms of pure decision theory for you personally, I think everything you said is fine. The problem is that's not the only way we use probability talk -- indeed I suspect that the way we use probability talk conflates two different ideas.

Basically the idea in sleeping beauty is that you are drugged into unconsciousness on Sunday and your captor flips a coin. If the coin is heads the captor wakes you up on Monday then wipes your mind and lets you go. If the coin is tails the captor wakes you up on Monday, wipes your memory and redrugs you and wakes you up again on Tuesday.

Suppose you wake up in the captor's possession one morning and the captor explains the situation (but not what day it is) what should your probability be the coin landed heads? Well it seems obvious it's 50% but now suppose you know the captor will offer you a $100 bet every time you wake about whether the coin landed tails at just below even odds.

Obviously you should take the bet because if the coin lands tails you will win twice but if it lands heads you lose once. That suggests you should assign probability of tails to be 2/3rds.

Ultimately, I think the confusion is over which of two questions one is answering (probability is just fancy counting). Are you trying to count up the situations from your perspective or from some kind of imagined 3rd party perspective?

To put it roughly in another way, there are an equal number of 'ways' the universe turns out where the captor gets a head and a tails. However, there are twice as many 'ways' you wake up in said situation with the coin tails as heads. So it's all just about what you are counting.

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